In this episode Adam invites Keri Niven onto the show to discuss the intersections of digital engineering and Digital Twin. Keri is Digital Practice Leader in New Zealand for Aurecon and takes in her stride some challenging questions that few tackle, like "if we are doing digital engineering, aren't we doing Digital Twin?" Keri shares some great perspectives not only on the capabilities of digital engineering and twins, but also on how government and industry in New Zealand could approach the process of institutionalising action.