In this conversation, Jesse and Joshua discuss the intricacies of platform engineering, particularly in the context of a robotics startup. They explore the evolution of the company, the challenges faced during early development, and the importance of user experience as the company scales. Joshua shares insights on building a platform that caters to user needs, transitioning to cloud solutions, and the role of automation in modern software development. The discussion also touches on when to introduce DevOps practices and the significance of customer feedback in creating irreplaceable products.