How do we manage as teachers and educational leaders when our own stresses and hurts interfere with a healthy, joyful approach to our work? Join host Tony Neal, co-host Deborah Bohlmann, and guest Brittini Gray for more discussion of living and working in emotionally challenging conditions, suggesting approaches that allow us to feel supported, energized and renewed for ongoing engagement. Produced and directed by Deborah Bohlmann. Recording, editing, and creative support by Alvin Zamudio.