In this episode: Mike sits down with Richard, a Product Designer with an eye for premium. In part 2 of their conversation, they give their opinion on Only Fans, before discussing Mike's ongoing feud with cardio. (09:00) They discuss why small men shouldn't carry guns (27:00) before ending with a discussion on the Grammys and industry plants (35:00). Books: (Richard) The Order of Time by Carlo Roveli. (Mike) They Came Before Columbus by Ivan Van Sertima. Music: (Richard) Shine by Joey Bada$$ (Mike) Latin Grammys by Action Bronson.