In this episode, Clayton sits down with Forrest Derr, Fractional Integrator and COO from Fairhope, Alabama. Forrest shares his journey from having Traction thrown on his desk by his boss to becoming a high-scoring integrator (94!) who now helps companies between $2 million and $50 million get their operations in order. After five years as a full-time integrator and another 15 months at a landscaping company, Forrest took the leap to go fractional and now works with eight different visionaries.

Forrest explains why integrators need a backbone to stand up to visionaries, the challenge of getting visionaries to stop "dropping hand grenades around the office" with their constant stream of ideas, and why he spent his first month at the landscaping company just riding along and asking questions instead of coming in with a sledgehammer. He discusses the difference between full-time and fractional integrator work (it's about relationship depth and detachment), why visionaries who claim nobody thinks or makes decisions aren't actually delegating, and his powerful insight that "alignment over ego" is the single most important factor in VI duo success. Forrest also reveals what leadership teams said when he left: "We know how much you filtered the chaos."

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