Recorded March 4, 2020

**RETRACTION: During the episode I refer to the "global minimization strategy" while it is actually the Minimal Exposure Strategy. My apologies to Elaine and our listeners.** Today, we have Elaine Bunn, former Deputy Assistance Secretary of Defense for Nuclear and Missile Defense, come in and talk about nuclear weapons, American strategic deterrence, and alliances. She was the primary speaker for the Ridgway Center's annual Paul Y. Hammond memorial lecture series and we were lucky enough for her to join us.

Also on the panel is Matthew Pennock, a Ridgway Fellow who has written about the nuclear doctrines of India and Pakistan.