I talk with Taffy Brodesser-Akner about her profile of Ethan Hawke, and how the work of trying to do great work is the story of not only Hawke's career but Taffy's. Both faced dismissive sneers for believing in themselves, for wanting to be taken seriously. Today Hawke is much more than a pretty boy, and Taffy's recently released novel is a New York Times bestseller. Taffy and I recorded this before she'd finished the novel, which serves as a goose-bumpy coda for anyone who listens to the end. For complete show notes, head to https://www.paulkix.com/podcast.