Originally recorded on July 21, 2020. COVID-19 has shown how fragile and vulnerable civilization still is. It bears rethinking our ever-growing urban concentration and dependence on high-density, centrally managed mass transit. Listen as John Eichberger, executive director of the Fuels Institute, has a great conversation with Dr. Richard Ezike, senior policy associate with The Urban Institute and learns what trends are beginning and if cities will ever return to 'normal.'