We made it to the Holy City! Join us for our last installment reviewing Revelation chapters 21 & 22.

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Both Sage and Ted were ordained two decades ago, Sage as a Swedenborgian Minister and Ted as an Episcopal priest. Sage is currently the visionary founder of the Helen Keller Spiritual Life Collaborative, author of the Substack Worship is Life, and producer of the Be Love Podcast. Ted serves as the rector of St. John’s Episcopal Church. Sage and Ted live in the Hyde Park neighborhood of Boston with their two sons Theo & Zach, their cat Miso and their newly adopted dog Princess.

keywords Holy City, Swedenborg, Revelation, spiritual regeneration, divine connection, community, transformation, inner journey, authenticity, healing

summary In this conversation, Sage and Ted explore the profound themes of the Holy City as depicted in Revelation, drawing on Swedenborg’s insights. They discuss the journey of spiritual regeneration, the transformation of the temple, the role of nations, and the qualities that are excluded from the Holy City. The dialogue emphasizes the importance of authenticity, healing, and the divine life that flows through the city, inviting listeners to engage in their inner transformation and recognize their connection to one another.

takeaways

* The Holy City symbolizes a renewed individual and collective life.

* Swedenborg’s vision emphasizes spiritual regeneration and the journey back to innocence.

* The absence of a temple in the Holy City signifies complete harmony between the divine and humanity.

* Judgment is about manifesting one’s character in relation to the divine reality.

* The nations play a vital role in the Holy City, bringing their glory and honor.

* Certain qualities, such as fear and unbelief, have no place in the Holy City.

* Authentic living requires relinquishing ego and embracing vulnerability.

* The Holy City is a space for healing and connection among all people.

* Inner transformation is essential for entering the Holy City.

* Humility is crucial in recognizing the diverse experiences of others.

Sound Bites

* “We finally made it to the Holy City!”

* “The Holy City is open to everyone.”

* “The nations will walk by its light.”

Chapters

00:00 Journey to the Holy City

06:13 The Vision of the Holy City

09:41 The Transformation of the Divine Presence

14:37 The Inner Journey and Spiritual Regeneration

18:41 The Crisis of Faith and the Role of the Church

22:26 Qualities of the Holy City and Exclusion of Certain Traits

30:29 The Freedom to Choose and Vulnerability

32:38 Divinization and Spiritual Growth

34:13 Overcoming Fear and Self-Doubt

36:18 The Journey from Genesis to Revelation

38:50 Symbols of the Holy City

41:22 Diversity and Unity in the Holy City

45:35 The Invitation to the Holy City

47:50 Healing and Life Energy in the Holy City

50:29 Spiritual Maturity and Humility

54:27 Closing Thoughts on the Holy City

This episode’s theme music is “New Heaven & New Earth,” by the Rev. Ken Turley www.turleymusic.com

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