Dan talks with John about his internal world, finding succor, peccadilloes, creating peak art, Nick Drake, the garbage robot, space barges, wasp sports, the Rocky 4 Model™, working out with logs, a chronology of the rockies, the power of amateurs, the Lockheed C-141 Starlifter, peace sign belt buckles, getting into college, first indignities, and doing the little dance that leads to the big dance.

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