Rachel Zucker speaks with Mira Jacob, author and illustrator of a newly released graphic memoir GOOD TALK: A Memoir in Conversations. Zucker and Jacob speak about “the gaze of disbelief,” racism, raising sons in the age of Trump, the relationship between humor and anger, the lonely exhilaration of immersing oneself in a new medium, the challenges and pleasures of translating text into audio and the complicated work of making art about yourself, your children, family and friends.