In this episode of The Love Cast, Jamal interviews life coach Lucas Brave about his journey beyond the mind and into experiencing a theology that accesses an entirely different physiology of the body.  A theology of the mind is powerless to bring lasting change to alleviate common states of suffering such as anxiety, and depression. 

In this episode, Lucas shares a bit about his own personal journey, and also some tangible stories and techniques regarding how a physiological / theological shift beyond the thinking mind and into the heart has been powerful enough to instantly disarm an attacker with a knife as a well as lead to a breakthrough in business.  This is a very significant interview.  Give this episode a listen, and do not skip or skim any part of this conversation.