Friend of the pod and OEA legislative expert, Ellen Pogemiller, returns to discuss the deteriorating educator shortage, the consequences it has on our students, and what the state of Oklahoma can do to begin valuing education as it should.

We also speak with newly elected NEA Director for the OEA, Zach Grimm, about his journey becoming a Spanish teacher, life as the president of The Education Association of Moore, winning a statewide election among members, and the importance of representing Oklahoma educators with the NEA.