Artur Estrada is a gifted songwriter, bandleader and father and we examine his time on this earth in Barcelona and the parallels between his bands, Aina and then Nueva Vulcano and where they diverge, we also discuss the Maskless Warriors "fighting for freedom" in the US and even Spain, we wax about our tours with each other throughout Europe and US, our mutual respect for each others lyrical style, look at how the CV era has shut down his startup, L'Affluent and the cultural events they curate in Barcelona and why Nueva Vulcano's new record Ensayo is blowing up.