This week, Frank took another personal day so Brian is joined by our good friend Katie Arroyo. They talk about how listeners are divided over the tone of Katie's voice. They talk about Black Friday shopping, ADHD, dealing with people after a show, and how to prepare for people. Katie shares her plans for a special trip with her sister and tells a story about trying to lure an owl into her yard. Then Brian gives an update on the personal work he's been doing with the "Like Me" game.

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