Kristen and Layne interview absolute legend Sara Gran about her new novel The Book of the Most Precious Substance (a globetrotting adventure about rare books and sex magic; yes, you need it), why she decided to step away from traditional publishing to strike out on her own, and whatever happened to the good old-fashioned erotic thriller. Preorder The Book of the Most Precious Substance (out February 8th) or pick up any of Sara’s other books in the official Unlikeable Female Characters Bookshop.

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