In this conversation, Rachael Rakes, artistic director of the 12th Seoul Mediacity Biennale, and Kathleen Ditzig, Curator at the National Gallery Singapore, will discuss alter-spatial histories and provide critical perspectives on the history of Western-style mapping. The discussion stems from the exhibition and publication This Too, is a Map produced on the occasion of the 12th Seoul Mediacity Biennale and co-published by [NAME] Publications and the Seoul Museum of Art. The Biennale and the publication were developed to imagine the global aesthetics of the non-territorial, focusing on alternative concepts of relating that live outside of borders and looks to the necessity of abstractions and hidden and deliberately obscured languages to communicate shared existence.