Brad is joined by Ethan Brown, founder and host of the funniest podcast about climate change, The Sweaty Penguin. They discuss using humor as an approach to serious topics like climate change, how honesty and nuance need to be embraced for truly honest discussion and some specifics about climate change and climate change solutions that show it's not all bad news. Check out The Sweaty Penguin wherever you get podcasts, on social media and via their website thesweatypenguin.com

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