Catalystas Aviva and Sofia sat down with Gijs Verbossen and Grace Ellis from HiiL (The Hague Institute for Innovation of Law) for a gripping legal-tech talk. HiiL is a social enterprise devoted to user-friendly justice. That means justice that is easy to access, easy to understand, and effective. How far are we today from this ideal? And how to we get there? Listen to our podcast to find the answers!