Most of us are comfortable taking private actions. We can recycle more. We can take reusable shopping bags with us to the grocery store. We can drive more fuel efficient cars. These are comfortable, easy steps to take to help in the climate change crisis.

But what about the more public actions? These are harder steps to take going from the anonymity of our private lives to standing up publicly for what we cherish.

I recorded this interview with Manda Scott the day after the general election in the UK. Manda had been out late the day before working in support of the Labor candidates. The election of Boris Johnson left her feeling very depressed.

Even though she was exceedingly tired we ended up having a long and extremely powerful conversation centered around this topic of shifting from private to public actions.

Horse people can make a difference. I keep saying that. Sometimes making a difference means changing the way we keep our horses. Sometimes it means speaking out. The horse people I know all love being outside. Our horses carry us beyond the paddock gate out into wild places many people never get to see. We can make a difference by sharing our love not only of horses, but of the land they carry us over.

In this podcast Manda helps us find ways to make our voices heard.