In this episode, Kishore Mahbubani speaks with Girija Pande, Chairman of Apex Avalon Consulting Singapore and former President of Tata Consultancy Services Asia-Pacific. The topic for this episode is the economic relationship between China, currently the world's second largest economy, and India, currently the world's fifth largest economy. What are the contours of this economic relationship? And how, in spite of the many geopolitical challenges, can this relationship be further strengthened? These are the broad questions that will be discussed on the podcast today.