Where to start? Max starts off comparing Jason to a burlesque dancer, then Jason sings to illustrate the concept of trauma. 

They talk about a ton of games they love and end up debating whether flow is a self-centred phenomenon!

Who is Jason, you may ask... Listen to find out.

(or go to @engn_podcast on twitter)

So we talked about a lot of things:

Psychology: 

Michael White and narrative therapy: https://dulwichcentre.com.au/michael-white-archive/

Flow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)

Games: 

Forbidden Island: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/65244/forbidden-island

Star realms: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/147020/star-realms

Mice and Mystics: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/124708/mice-and-mystics

Spirit Island: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/162886/spirit-island

Legend of the five rings RPG: https://rpggeek.com/rpgfamily/2437/legend-five-rings

Root: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/237182/root