In Episode No. 80 of The Big Web Show ("Everything Web That Matters") host Jeffrey Zeldman interviews Daring Fireball author John Gruber about his background in computer programming and journalism; the joy of designing print layouts with QuarkXPress and the transition from print to web; why investors who are angry at Apple have it wrong; why some web standards geeks who once passionately disliked Apple have grown warmer toward the company; and the secret story behind the name, "Daring Fireball."

Links for this episode:

• Daring Fireball