In Episode 85, Dr Roussel interviews Dr Garrison Bliss, founder of Qliance Medical and regarded by many as the founder of Direct Primary Care. In the interview, recounts his experience working for Qliance Medical while the company participated in a Medicaid initiative to provide comprehensive primary care to Medicaid beneficiaries, an initiative which failed in terms of fiscal sustainability. Dr Bliss further discusses his perspective on the similarities and differences between that initiative and the Primary Care First initiative proposed by CMS.