Alice Dimond brings a wealth of knowledge regarding systemic change and futures thinking. We discuss how learning takes place for her, the intricacies of Aotearoa cultural landscape and how we are able to facilitate curiosity in ourselves and each other. Diving deep, and going big picture in the course of this conversation, we celebrate Ōtautahi and the breadth of experience we hold and catch glimpses of the future of our city together with Alice.