Working Not Working co-founder, Justin Gignac, sits down with Australian artist and designer Gemma O'Brien. Her lettering, illustration, and typography has been seen around the world on walls and branding for clients like Apple, adidas, Adobe, and The New York Times. This is a live recording from Justin and Gemma's conversation in a basement bar in New York City. Gemma opens up quitting law school, getting internet famous in Germany when she was only a student, and knowing and defending your value to clients.