In a role reversal, hosts Emely and Max discuss how they feel about offering condolences and supporting others facing challenges similar to the ones that resulted in the death of their loved ones. Admissions of guilt and awkwardness show how even for experienced grievers, the pressure to seemingly have it figured out can feel intense. This conversation serves as a reminder that just because you have experienced loss, it doesn't mean you are expected to be an expert on all things death. We are constantly learning to cope with the many ways in which grief shape shifts over time, and it's perfectly okay to stumble.