This week we host our second special guest; one of "The Leslies!" In our discussion we talk about a few of the tangible "milestones" that we have to indicate how we are progressing in our faith, and the role those can play as we experience the inevitable - suffering. Oftentimes suffering and despair can leave us feeling lost because it's the not the destination we had in mind. But as we travel through life, it becomes clear that many of us begin by pursuing a destination that doesn't really exist, and it isn't until we adjust our expectations that are able experience true joy and gratitude in suffering.