Ali McGee and Jeff Schipper, both Enneagram 2s, sit down and talk all about their experiences as Helpers, Givers, and all-around genuinely nice people.

They share why it's so hard to say no to others, the way they both have a hard time separating their needs and their feelings, and how investing in their own well-being has been a game changer.

Listen in as Ali and Jeff share their lives as Enneagram 2s and help us all understand how to love others (and ourselves) better!

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