In this thought-provoking episode of Two Bald Pastors, hosts Joe McGarry and Geoff Sinibaldo sit down with Pastor Angela Denker, Lutheran pastor, journalist, and author of Red State Christians and the newly released Disciples of White Jesus: The Radicalization of American Boyhood. Together, they dive deep into public theology, Christian nationalism, empathetic masculinity, and what it means to be faithful in an age of political and spiritual disconnection.

Angela shares how her calling blends pastoral care with hard-hitting journalism, and how storytelling has become the heart of her ministry. She reflects on how empathy is under attack in modern Christian culture and offers a radical alternative: relationships, vulnerability, and compassion as core masculine and spiritual traits.

The trio also touches on how churches and leaders can reclaim trust with young men, the subtle (and not-so-subtle) ways Christian nationalism creeps into everyday life, and the spiritual importance of listening—both to others and to God. Through personal stories, deep theological insights, and honest questions about culture and faith, this conversation reminds listeners that “only the stories can save us.” Angela also opens up about her writing process, her family’s spiritual journey, and the real-life impact of sharing alternative narratives that counter toxic forms of masculinity and power with the radical love of Jesus.

🔗 Resources Mentioned: Disciples of White Jesus – Angela’s new book

Angela’s Substack: angeladenker.substack.com – I’m Listening

Website: angeladenker.com