In this conversation, Pastor Rodney and Pastor Clint Smith discuss their journey together at North Church and the significance of personal growth through reading, listening to podcasts, and studying the Word of God. Pastor Clint shares the story of how North School of Ministry was birthed and the impact it has had on many lives. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the quest for a perfect king and the importance of obedience and trust in finding peace and victory in life.