In this episode, Joe McGarry and Geoff Sinibaldo—aka the Two Bald Pastors—sit down with Bishop Nathan Pipho of the ELCA’s New England Synod. It’s a thoughtful, heartfelt, and energizing conversation about what it means to be the church in today's world. Bishop Nathan opens up about the relentless pace of ministry, the sacred work of building connections, and his ongoing focus on telling the story of Jesus. He talks about moving congregations beyond survival mode and into deeper, faith-driven purpose, sharing stories of hope, resilience, and creativity from across New England. The episode also touches on the role of the church in the face of social injustice, how to lead faithfully in politically divided congregations, and the importance of nurturing relationships—with one another and ecumenical partners. Bishop Nathan offers practical wisdom for pastors, deacons, lay leaders, and every baptized believer seeking to live faithfully in these turbulent times. You'll also hear stories of powerful community witness, like the response to grief, and encouragement for imagining new forms of ministry in changing times. This conversation is honest, deeply pastoral, and full of hope. Whether you're a church leader or someone who just loves Jesus and wants to serve your neighbor, there’s something here for you.