Chris Ayers and Chase Raz have a chat about the practical future. Visions of utopia or dystopia are nowhere to be found in this episode, just the realities about automation and how process and technological disruption impact virtually every field of business, industry, and even hobby. The episode asks each lister to consider what steps should be taken now to ensure success in 10 to 20 years, even if his or her job--or entire professional field--were to disappear.