In this conversation, Philip spends time with Ruben Pater, author of Caps Lock and the Politics of Design. Philip and Ruben discuss his latest book Caps Lock and how design plays a central role in normalizing capitalist institutions and thinking and why the world doesn’t need more designers.

The Drop – The segment of the show where Philip and his guest share tasty morsels of intellectual goodness and creative musings.

Philip’s Drop:

Ruben’s Drop:

Octavia Butler