This episode finds us again in Brooklyn on the back patio of Splitty, a fine, feels-like-home place in Fort Greene. Ian joined us late afternoon and we chatted for over an hour about video editing (both above and a little below board), the definition of selling out, if there is a definition of selling out, Pittsburgh, maybe wanting a nice car, and a lot of other things. Love this one.

Track List: "Calla Lilies" from Plastic Explosives; “Imitation Air" from the new record, out 12/3 on Hometapes.