This episode features an interview with Dr. Christine Marran, author of Ecology Without Culture: Aesthetics for a Toxic World (University of Minnesota Press, 2017). In our talk, we discuss how the ocean factors into the methyl-mercury poisoning of the Shiranui Sea and Ishimure Michiko’s literature. We discuss key concepts explored in Ecology Without Culture, including the “biotrope” and “obligate storytelling.”