Following on from a radio programme, Pastor David Wilkerson and I had some time to talk in a studio about what it is to be in church leadership.  This is the recording of that time together.  David has since gone home to be with the Lord, and yet his powerful messages from Times Square Church and his books are still with us.  He was mightily used as a pastor and prophet of the Lord, and his books such as 'The cross and the switchblade' have impacted hundreds of thousands of people over the years.  This is a unique recording from Pastor David Wilkerson never before published or released until now - and he has a message that every pastor and church leader needs to hear.