In this episode of UNRELIABLE NARRATOR, curator Lisa Long speaks with artist Marianna Simnett, whose installation Faint with Light (2016) is on loan and on view in A FIRE IN MY BELLY at JSC Berlin. In their conversation, they dive into the possible and impossible spaces of empathy afforded by the work, an experience Orit Gat has described as “stressful, painful, regretful, almost impossible to look at—and empathetic as anything can be.” Long and Simnett also discuss the importance of abstraction as a means of refusing representation, surrender as a politics of the everyday, and the moving image as a type of operating theater.