In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams engages in a deep conversation with Coach Eli Casaus about the nuances of leadership, the importance of coaching over consulting, and the challenges of isolation in leadership roles. Eli shares his journey from being a reluctant teacher to a principal and now a leadership coach, emphasizing the significance of self-discovery, authentic conversations, and building a supportive network. The discussion also touches on mental health and the need for leaders to empower themselves and others in their educational environments.