During today's episode, let us just first apologize for all of the cat meowing and children playing in the background. We normally don't record with all the kids home, so if you hear them playing in the backyard, apologies in advance but they were having fun. But in this episode we went down the conspiracy rabbit hole for the first time on this podcast. We speak about Epstein's plane, the ALLEGED activities that Michael Jackson was involved in, and of course, serial killers because we all love some true crime moments. Also we get into spoiling your kids with material things vs. spoiling them with experiences such as traveling. What is more important and does social media tend to influence how we think we should or should not spoil our kids?