On this special unedited episode of the podcast, Yia’s long-time friend Erica Ellenwood, the assistant district attorney for the city of Hudson, WI, comes on the show with her colleague Sergeant Todd Pearson of the Hudson, Police Department. They talk about mass incarceration, systemic racism, and the murder of George Floyd. Yia and David ask them about their perspective on the calls to defund the police, and the challenges and opportunities around police reform. 

The White on Rice podcast is hosted and produced by Yia Vang and David Crabb. For more information, please visit us at whiteonricepodcast.com.