Right now, we are amidst a social reckoning that’s been 100+ years in the making, and in this episode, Allie has called on one of her dear friends Ericka Jones to help us understand what’s even happening. Ericka is a Global Diversity and Inclusion Leader at Cargill — a global food corporation — and a modern day change leader and healer with more than 12 years of experience specific to diversity, equity and inclusion.

In this conversation, Allie and Ericka dive into how tenderness is the missing ingredient in our current attempt at societal progress — aka cancel culture — as well as intergenerational wisdom and what there’s to learn from Generation Z and our elders about racism and social injustice. They also discuss “the Amazon Effect” and how our desire for instant and rapid change isn’t actually changing anything at all.