Social worker Erin Riley joins Gemma and Hamish to talk about their new book A Real Piece of Work, a collection of essays about "family, heartbreak, humanity, justice and swimming, and the messy, hard graft of becoming one’s authentic self." Also, Danish Sheikh discusses their lecture-performance 'Much To Do With Law / But More To Do With Love' about the decriminalisation of homosexuality in India in 2018.