Forward-thinker, Kimberly Kradel (of Artist-at-large.com) chats with Ro during the COVID-19 lock-down from her van (the Escape-Pod) about van life, dreaming the next, and random gifts of life during a time of social isolation. They discuss how they are finding access to big magic and potentiality as the world is being sent to their collective rooms to contemplate.  Listeners are invited to share in the richness, humor, depth, and insights of muddling through the lock-down.