<p>Today our podcast connects with Esther Patterson and Natasha Dennerstein of <a href="http://14hills.net" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Fourteen Hills</a> and <a href="http://creativewriting.sfsu.edu" target="_blank" rel="noopener">San Francisco State University's Creative Writing Program</a>.  Producer: Jon-Barrett Ingels and Kevin Staniec Manager: Sarah Becker Host: Jon-Barrett Ingels Guest: Esther Patterson and Natasha Dennerstein</p>

Today our podcast connects with Esther Patterson and Natasha Dennerstein of Fourteen Hills and San Francisco State University's Creative Writing Program. Producer: Jon-Barrett Ingels and Kevin Staniec Manager: Sarah Becker Host: Jon-Barrett Ingels Guest: Esther Patterson and Natasha Dennerstein

<p>Today our podcast connects with Esther Patterson and Natasha Dennerstein of <a href="http://14hills.net" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fourteen Hills</a> and <a href="http://creativewriting.sfsu.edu" rel="noopener noreferrer">San Francisco State University's Creative Writing Program</a>.  Producer: Jon-Barrett Ingels and Kevin Staniec Manager: Sarah Becker Host: Jon-Barrett Ingels Guest: Esther Patterson and Natasha Dennerstein</p>

Esther Patterson and Natasha Dennerstein

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