You're going to want to buckle up for today's conversation with author and activist Esuantsiwa (Esua) Jane Goldsmith, whose book The Space Between Black and White is out now. She and Brad had a conversation unlike anything else that's happened in the Jam Bunker. With family in both the United Kingdom and (she would find much later) Ghana, they touched a bit on Esau's story (spoiler: she's been breaking barriers in her life since 1975!), but then they mused on the importance of conversations, the work it takes to get comfortable talking about race and class, intersectionality, and absolute joy of life even when everything around you is falling down.

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