I talk to Francesco Formisano from Altitude and Trails about the ethics of hunting. We explore how we lost our spiritual connection to the animals we hunt and eat. Why some cows are clever. We talk about tahr in New Zealand. His project to study animal pathologies in the New Zealand tahr population. And we forget to talk about how animals full of adrenaline taste like crap and why is a good reason to know your rifle or bow and ensure a swift kill. We may swear once or twice.