Cardinals prepare for conclave after the Pope's funeral plus  Trump and Zelensky hold face-to-face Vatican meeting.

Cardinals prepare for conclave after the Pope's funeral plus Trump and Zelensky hold face-to-face Vatican meeting.

Cardinals prepare for conclave after the Pope's funeral plus&nbsp;&nbsp;Trump and Zelensky hold face-to-face Vatican meeting.

Europe correspondent Seamus Kearney

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Europe correspondent Seamus Kearney

Europe correspondent Seamus Kearney