In this episode, we talk with Chief Evaluator and Deputy Director for Evaluation Geeta Batra at the Independent Evaluation Office (IEO) of the Global Environment Facility (GEF) on how the GEF IEO is using innovative evaluation methods for transformational change in its evaluations. The podcast also draws on findings from her latest book with GEF IEO Director Juha Uitto “Transformational change for people and the planet.” Featuring podcast team members Marco Lorenzoni and Tom Ling.