The conversation around biblical counseling can lead to people ending up like the church Ephesus, losing our first love (Rev 2:4). While methods and data can be useful, biblical counselors should remember why they started counseling in the first place. In this Dr. O-less episode, Matt is joined by his good friend and evangelist Tim Rose to discuss evangelism and its importance in counseling. Listen to this episode and be encouraged to always have the cross as the goal in your counseling!

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